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Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:35:19 -0400
From:		(Michael)
Newsgroups:	alt.folklore.ghost-stories

It reminds me of a phenomena similar to EVP. I'm sure someone here is more
knowledgable about this than I am. You point a video camera at a tv (in
other words taking a picture of a picture of a picture ad infinitum) and
then record it. Playing back the tape very slowly, one frame at a time,
sometimes shows images. The founder of this phenomena (I can't remember his
name right now) had a daughter who had passed away and her image would
apear on the tape along with images of people he didn't know.

I know this isn't the same as what your picture shows but it might be similar.

Who knows, eh?

Michael.

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:54:19 -0400
From:		Mike Mella
Newsgroups:	alt.paranormal

Simon Hart wrote:

> [...] a face had appeared on the screen [...]

> http://www.york.ac.uk/~sph2/spooky/ghoulies.htm
> Sends a shiver down the spine.
> Simon.

        Yeah, well it sends a shiver down *my* spine when people like you try
to pawn that stuff off as authentic.  You're making the rest of us look
stupid.  Please stop.
--Mike.

I had no intensions of trying to make anyone look stupid, neither was I
trying to pass the picture off as authentic, I was merely asking for
opinion.

Thanks for yours.

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		25 Mar 1998 14:18:05 GMT
From:		"Tom Ray"
Newsgroups:	alt.folklore.ghost-stories

I dont know. . .  It looks suspiciously "photographic" to me---the borders
look too sharp and defined--like a paper cut-out
I assure you, the photos on MY page ARE real.  
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TOM

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		25 Mar 1998 15:44:17 GMT
From:		(EverAPath)
Newsgroups:	alt.folklore.ghost-stories

>I dont know. . .  It looks suspiciously "photographic" to me---the borders
>look too sharp and defined--like a paper cut-out

My major reaction was that the face in the "zoomed in" shot was much, much
clearer than the one on the original shot.  Anyone who works with photographs
can tell you that his just doesn't happen this way.  So, I would guess there
are two photos and, therefore, someone is trying to fool someone else...I've no
idea why.

The photo was scanned at quite a high resolution, 300dpi if I remember correctly,
screen.jpg was then cropped and saved, the high res scan was then reduced in size
for the web page. This should explain the difference in clarity between
the two images.

Sorry, I should have made that clear.

Not impressed.

Ever

From Ghosties and Ghoulies
And Long Leggity Beasties
And Things that go "Bump" in the Night
Good Lord, Deliver Us All...
                     -- 18th Century Prayer

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Date:		Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:33:09 +1100
From:		Robert Oertel
Subject:	Your website

I appreciate the fact that you are bemused by the "televisual apparition" and
have posted in order to seek opinions and/or answers.  Well I do not have any
answers but my opinion is that the  image is far too clear and "clinical" to be
real.

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		25 Mar 1998 17:47:50 GMT
From:		(Douglas S. Caprette)
Newsgroups:	alt.paranormal, alt.misc.forteana, sci.skeptic

In a previous article, fortean3@NOSPAMHERE.easynet.co.uk (Joe McNally) says:

>In article <35184EB1.A17957FE@Elmail.co.uk>, Leo Smith
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be the face of someone taking a photo, which has been
>> illuminated by flash bouncing off the screen, and is reflected in the
>> screen.
>
>Surely if this were the case, there would be a camera visible in the picture?
>
>That said, it all smells a bit odd. There's a hell of a lot of detail on
>the pic of the screen (screen.jpg); I'm unconvinced that a photograph
>taken from the far corner of a room would look so distinct.
>

Agreed.  There are numerous ways to deliberately produce just such a 
picture.  Over the net, barring a blunder on the part of a hoaxter,
there is no way to distinguish between a good fake and a 'genuinely 
paranormal' image.

The only conclusion I reach is that it is quite unlikely to be an
accident.
the net.

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:46:08 +0000
From:		(Pat O'Halloran)
Newsgroups:	alt.paranormal, alt.misc.forteana, sci.skeptic

Joe McNally  wrote:

> That said, it all smells a bit odd. There's a hell of a lot of detail on
> the pic of the screen (screen.jpg); I'm unconvinced that a photograph
> taken from the far corner of a room would look so distinct.
> 

Hmm, I'm generally a sceptical old sod and I'm not changing those habits
now.
1. It looks far too sharp and clear.

2. If the picture was taken as an insurance record it fails because you
can see bugger all. This leads me to suspect a hoax.

Fair comment.

3. The face is at a typical three quarter portrait angle, as if copied
from a posed photo.

4. The head fits perfectly into the screen, as if placed there purposely
- this doesn't rule out a ghost but increases my scepticism.

5. My attention was draw to the brown markings in the bottom centre of
the screen.jpg, what are these?

I think this is the manufacturers badge, but I am trying to get hold of
thephoto again to re-scan that area in a higher resolution.

6. It may be my imagination but the image on spooky2.jpg seem to be
facing the front a little more than on screen.jpg.

It's your imagination, spooky2.jpg is a reduction of the same image that 
screen.jpg is cropped from.

7. When enhanced in Photoshop the image in spooky2.jpg appears to have
some horizontal bars below the head which do not appear in screen.jpg
(they look a bit like the folds of a polo neck jumper!)

I'll take your word for it.

So my vote is for a fake.

-- 
Pat O'Halloran              (PGP key available)
*"The dust of exploded beliefs may make a fine sunset." (Madan)*
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~pato
Northern Earth Online http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~pato/ne

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		26 Mar 1998 20:03:53 GMT
From:		(Sergeant Zeno)
Newsgroups:	alt.music.gwar, alt.paranormal, 
alt.misc.forteana, sci.skeptic, alt.paranet.paranormal, alt.fantas

In fact, it merely appears as if he took the picture during
an old horror movie.

I would like to see the hi-res scan of the WHOLE picture though.

OK, it's at http://www.york.ac.uk/~sph2/spooky/images/spooky3.jpg
but be warned, the file is 147k.

>Sends a shiver down the spine.

Actually, if you look closely, just a foot-and-a-half below the
TV, it looks like a tiny little man's face is peeking out in front of
the blue-jean colored item.

To get a reflection that size on a TV screen your face would have to be
just inches away and for it to be so clear you would have to be
illuminated with a light as bright as a thousand suns.

It resembles a miniature Terry Gilliam caricature.

Now THAT sends a shiver down the spine.

I am,

  -Zeno.

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:02:47 -0500
From:		CF
Newsgroups:	alt.music.gwar, alt.paranormal, alt.misc.forteana, 
sci.skeptic, alt.paranet.paranormal, alt.fantas


fake...next
~Chris

Subject:	Re: A ghostly photo
Date:		Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:16:34 +0000
From:		The Philosopher's Stone
Newsgroups:	alt.music.gwar, alt.paranormal, alt.misc.forteana, 
sci.skeptic, alt.paranet.paranormal, alt.fantas

       I say it's a fake. It's a picture of the TV which is most
certainly on but is showing (on screen) a picture of an old painting. 
Even if the TV isnt on, when you turn a TV off suddenly you can see that
it is still glowing (if the room is dark). The glowing often resembles
the last thing that was onscreen.
        Either way this doesnt constitute proof for the existence of
ghosts, it's easily explainable away.
 
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