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Seacon'03: Eastercon 2003
The 54th British Easter Science Fiction Convention
18--21 April 2003, Hanover International Hotel, Hinckley
GoHs:
Mary Gentle
(unable to attend
due to work commitments),
Chris Evans
,
Fangorn (Chris Baker).
The
second Eastercon in the bizarre, but friendly,
Hanover
Hinckley
. The facilities were again excellent: good function room
space, friendly staff, and continuous food: the lunch and dinner menu this
time varied from day to day, and even had some surprising items [the
graffiti reads:
I know we all watch Buffy, but this is ridiculous!
].
The mushrooms were again in plentiful supply. What is it with Eastercons
and breakfast mushrooms? One speculation: "I'm eating as far from my
species as possible".
One of the serendipitous moments was catching a bunch of Dr Who clips
brilliantly edited together to Bonnie Tyler's rendition of
Total
Eclipse of the Heart
.
Programme highlights
Nigel Furlong --
Thunderbirds are Go!
On disaster management and the
real
International Rescue
-
International Rescue Corps
-
A UN registered disaster charity
-
rescue people from earthquakes, flooding, ...
-
in tropical countries, have only 24 hours to rescue people,
because of heat dehydration
-
Colchester was flattened by an earthquake 150 years ago
-
US 9/11 disaster
-
there are 258 urban search and rescue teams in the US, all
but one ended up in NY -- what if something else had happened at
the same time?
-
US constitution forbids calling in help from "foreign
powers" -- EU and UN will not send help unless invited --
required creative memo drafting
-
UK firefighters also help
-
Lowland search and rescue teams -- look for missing people --
descended form disbanded civil defence units
-
Disaster management
-
what's the worst thing that you could do -- sabotage/terrorism
-
business continuity
-
nuclear industry has plans for being hit by a 767 -- used to
be thought too low a risk for skyscraper plans
-
US "flew" an F4 phantom with a full bomb load into a
block of concrete the same thickness as a nuclear containment
-
the plane disintegrated, the wall had to be repainted
-
nuclear reactor have
very
deep foundations, because of
earthquake risk
-
Rutherford Appleton laser synchrotron, ~2000m foundations,
for stability
-
nuclear sites have annual "level 1 incident" practice
exercises
-
the best everyday manager is not necessarily the best
disaster manager
-
What about a bio-disaster, eg SARS?
-
Smallpox -- the last UK outbreak, more people died from the
vaccine (a few) than from the disease
-
kills less than a third of the people who get it
-
trace and vaccinate contacts -- trace train passengers via
credit cards
-
medics have more power than police to put people away
-
a pinhead of ricin could kill everyone in this room -- but only
if I put it on a pin and stab everyone! -- diluted it's harmless
-
The Japanese nerve gas attack
-
the group had previously dropped 5kg of anthrax-contaminated
powder -- no-one got sick
-
they has also sprayed a US base with botulinus -- no-one got
sick
-
all the showering and handwashing nowadays helps stop the
spread
-
so its not a massive risk -- the risk analysis has been done
-
the most dangerous part of a "dirty bomb" is the explosive
-
building a nuclear weapon -- it's not the science, it's the
engineering
-
most of the nuclear transactions in the ex-SU are customs
officers and journalists, with not a criminal in sight!
Panel --
Milestones in 20th Century TV and film
Steve Green, Tony Berry, Judith Proctor, Dave Lally
[This panel worked well, because the discipline of keeping to the
decades stopped it degenerating too quickly into "name your favorite
show"]
-
1903 --
Le Voyage dans la Lune
-- Georges Méliès
-
most films then were 2--3 minutes -- it was 20 minutes, with a
plot
-
many early films were SF/fantasy, playing with a new medium
-
Edison made pirate copies
-
1925 --
Metropolis
-- Fritz Lang
-
political SF -- visually superb -- crap script
-
new DVD has longest existing cut -- not necessarily the best cut
-
Hitler was so impressed he asked Lang to direct propaganda films
-- Lang instead went to the US
-
1936 --
Things to Come
-- Alexander Korda
-
probably a better film than the book -- but
H. G. Wells
did have a big
input
-
science versus humankind -- all wearing bathrobes in the future!
-
many things became instant cliches
-
1940s -- nothing! -- well, there
was
a war on
-
many Saturday morning series, but no major films
-
comic strip spinoffs, lots of horror films
-
1942 --
Went the Day Well?
-
Graham Greene script
-
remarkable propaganda film -- set in context of a flashback
after the war had been won
-
1946 --
A Matter of Life and Death
-- Powell and
Pressburger
-
1950 --
Destination Moon
-- George Pal
-
from a
Heinlein
story --
in a ponderous documentary style
-
rocket looks like a V2 -- used Hermann Oberth as a consultant
-
Chesley Bonestall
did
the moon scenes
-
didn't have a big effect on Hollywood
-
1951 --
The Day the Earth Stood Still
-
there were many Red Scare films, like
Them!
-
this had a peaceful message -- the Korean War was still on
-
also a resurrection story
-
Farewell to the Master
-- Gort (the robot) was the boss
-
1956 --
Forbidden Planet
-
(semi-)serious -- starred Walter Pidgeon as Morbius
-
cost $2M -- a huge amount of money
-
the big machine was ripped off by
B5
-- lots of homages in B5
-
Robbie the Robot -- the beginning of the friendly cuddly robots
-
plot nicked from Shakespeare --
The Tempest
-
1956 --
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
-
1968 --
2001
-- Stanley Kubrick
-
same year as
Planet of the Apes
, and
Night of the
Living Dead
-
travesty --
PotA
got the SFX Oscar for its apes, but
2001
's
apes are better
-
bomb/takeover films
-
Fail Safe
(1964),
Dr Strangelove
(1963),
Seven
Days in May
(1964)
-
The Manchurian Candidate
(1962) -- political SF
-
The Birds
(1963)
-
The Wargame
-- TV film commissioned by BBC, then
banned because so shocking
-
1977 --
Star Wars
-- George Lucas
-
an SF classic -- blatant application of
classical myths
-
the big difference between the first and second trilogies is the
target audience
-
episodes IV--VI : late teens
-
episodes I--III : 8-9 year olds who want to buy the
merchandising
-
merchandising is a milestone in itself -- it can come out
before the film
-
very little early 1970s SF
-
Logan's Run
(1976)
-
Michael Crichton
:
The
Andromeda Strain
(1970),
Westworld
(1973), ...
-
1971 --
A Clockwork Orange
,
Silent Running
,
The Omega Man
-
No Blade of Grass
(1970),
Death Line
-- "mind
the gap"!
-
Soylent Green
(1973),
The Stepford Wives
(1974)
-
Zardoz
(1973) -- Sean Connery in an nappy!
-
Dark Star
(1974) -- $6000 -- very young John
Carpenter
-
The Man Who Fell to Earth
(1976) -- very close to the
Walter Tevis
book
-
CE3K --
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
(1977)
-
1980s
-
1982 --
E.T.
-- Steven Spielberg
-
1982 --
Bladerunner
-- Ridley Scott
-
very impressive film -- directors cut, not the "happy
ending" one
-
has influenced look of films and adverts ever since
-
Alien
(1979) and
Aliens
(1986)
-
after that, Sigourney Weaver was getting paid more and more
for worse and worse episodes
-
Mad Max
(1979),
Mad Max 2
(1981)
-
all these films are influential in the wrong way
-
1985 --
Brazil
-- Terry Gilliam
-
Cocoon
(1985) -- it's so nice! --
The
Terminator
(1984)
-
1990s
-
12 Monkeys
(1995)
-
what's so new is the SFX -- a major part of the film in
Terminator
2
(1991),
X-Men
(2000), etc
-
Galaxy Quest
(1999) -- a wonderful spoof
-
The Matrix
(1999)
-
influenced fight scenes -- especially later
Buffy
-- wire work hadn't been so well known in the west before
-
Being John Malkovich
-
Radio
-
1930s --
War of the Worlds
-
1950s --
Journey into Space
-
1970s --
Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy
-
1950s TV
-
1953--59 --
Quatermass
series -- Nigel Kneale
-
proper SF -- taken seriously -- very scary -- everyone
watched it
-
1954 --
1984
-- Peter Cushing -- caused questions in the
House, it was so brutal
-
1949--55 --
Captain Video
-
1959--64 --
The Twilight Zone
-
Flash Gordon
-
1960s
-
1960 --
Pathfinders
-
1961 --
A for Andromeda
-- the BBC wiped most of it
-
Irene Shubik -- 1962 --
Out of this World
-- commissioned
series of one hour plays -- then 1965--71 --
Out of the Unknown
-
1965--68 --
Lost in Space
-
1966--69 (1969--71 in UK) --
Star Trek
-- seriously
groundbreaking, but not successful until syndication
-
1968 --
The Year of the Sex Olympics
-- Nigel Kneale
-
1970s
-
1970--72 --
Doomwatch
-- primetime adult show
-
1972 --
The Stone Tape
-- Nigel Kneale
-
Clangers
/
Dr Who
crossover moment -- in "Sea Devils" the Master is watching
an episode of the Clangers!
-
1973 --
Moonbase 3
-
Gerry Anderson
-
1961--62 --
Supercar
, 1962--63 --
Fireball XL-5
-
1967--68 --
Captain Scarlet
-- very violent -- every show
someone had to die
-
Supermarionation was a milestone -- write to the Honors
Committee, for a knighthood for Gerry Anderson
-
1970--73 --
UFO
-- superb shows -- some episodes dealt
with such adult themes they had only late night airings
-
was replaced by the awful
Space 1999
(1975--77) -- a
landmark for putting people off!
-
1975--77 --
Survivors
-- Terry Nation
-
typically British -- bleak, pessimist -- until it because "Life
on the Farm"
-
today we have SARS -- the common cold with attitude
-
1980s
-
1980 --
The Flipside of Dominick Hyde
-
1981 --
The Day of the Triffids
-
1985 --
Edge of Darkness
-
1987 --
Star Cops
-- nice little show -- solutions to the
crimes required knowledge of science
-
1988--93 --
Red Dwarf
-- SF or sit com? -- it got more
SFnal as it went on
-
1989 (UK terrestrial TV, 1995) --
Alien Nation
-- Rockne
O'Bannon
-
Crime Traveller
-- the nadir of TV SF
-
1990s
-
10th anniversary of
Babylon 5
-
much harder and dirtier than the
ST
universe
-
influenced by
C. J.
Cherryh
's
Downbelow Station
-
JMS put in lots of in-jokes -- like the "be seeing you"
Prisoner hand sign
-
1998 --
Ultraviolet
-- a
cracking show
-
1998 --
Invasion: Earth
-- in one sitting it made some kind of sense -- it could have been
saved by good writing
-
1999 --
The Last Train
-- it's not SF, it's a realistic train journey!
-
Gormenghast
-- after watching it, I know why I found it
unreadable
Eastercon Anecdotes
Pat McMurray, Peter Weston
-
1964 -- my first Eastercon, and Rog Peyton's -- in Peterborough -- it
had no name until a month later, when someone realised that, as it was
the 2nd Peterborough con, it should be called Repetercon!
-
small hotel -- the Bull -- ~ 150 fans
-
one stream program -- when it stopped, Ken opened the bookroom,
and we all bought books off Ken -- when he said stop, we all went to
the bar
-
PMcM -- 1993 -- Helicon -- my first con
-
I didn't know anyone, so I volunteered -- been downhill ever
since!
-
Ted Tubb
-
was a split personality -- on the one hand he was this author --
on the other he was this lunatic -- he was manic depressive -- when
he was down you would want to slit your wrists -- but he was always
high at cons
-
at one con he was going to sacrifice all the virgins at a "Hum
and Sway" party
-
you sit in concentric circles, link arms, have a swig of
drink, put out the lights, be quiet (the Americans find this bit
hard), then all hum and sway!
-
1994 : Sou'wester
-- was to be in Bristol --
but the hotel manager found out -- so ended up in Liverpool
-
In 1971 I told the manager it was a literary convention
-
1996 : Evolution
-- was going to be in
Brighton, but ended up at the Radison
-
1975 -- original Seacon -- were sure we could get a hotel by the sea
-- ended up in Coventry -- as soon as you call a con Seacon, it will
automatically be as far from the sea as possible [except in
1984
]
-
so this is Seacon'03, because we are as far from the sea as you
can get!
-
the 1975 bid was put together the night before the bid session,
because the only other alternative was Manchester, and Manchester is
always a disaster!
-
but in 1975 they put another Manchester bid together for 1976 --
a travesty of a con
-
Owen's Park Halls of Residence -- horrible, like a refugee
camp!
-
The bar had iron tables and steel chairs -- built to be hosed
out
-
communal bathrooms
-
like a terrible Greyhound Bus station -- cheap, miserable,
shambolic
-
it could have been worse -- one gang wanted to do it in
tents!
-
Robert Silverberg was GoH -- they drove him up from Heathrow
in the back of a plumber's van
-
1970 -- the only con to rival Owen's Park for real disaster
-
run by George Hay -- nice chap, but created new projects every
fortnight -- attention span of a gnat -- "well meaning" --
SF Foundation only real success
-
Royal Hotel, Bloomsbury -- demolished 3 months after the con --
under sentence of death at the time -- staff couldn't give a damn --
manager wasn't aware the con would happen
-
no SF on the program!
-
the film screen was pieces of paper tacked to the wall
-
bar closed at 10pm -- after which had to queue at the "trapdoor",
for warm brown ale
-
so hideous that Rog Peyton and PW knew could do better -- bid for
1971
-
but it makes for good stories!
-
PMcM -- it's a really bad idea to try to run a con on your own -- I
tried it for
1996 Evolution
with a very
inexperienced crew
-
[the audience agreed it was a good con -- if opinion on the hotel
was spilt]
-
1991 : Speculation -- Glasgow -- Hospitality Inn -- soon redubbed "Hostility
Inn"
-
you must get the right hotel
-
they are used to dealing with businessmen in suits swigging G&Ts,
not scruffy fen drinking beer -- businessmen behave worse
-
you shouldn't try to kid the management -- tell them fen look
funny, but spend a lot on drink, and won't smash the place up
-
Reconvene
-- Adelphi -- black and gold name
badges, each with a different motto -- too complex -- Keep it Simple --
and use a large font
-
horrible tradition in the 1980s of con security squads checking
name badges
-
that's why nowadays calling it "security" is
frowned on
-
anyone who wants to work in security shouldn't be allowed to
-
The 1963 Eastercon Programme Book explained things : "badges
aren't about security, they're about friendship" --
enabling fen to recognise one other
-
1991 Speculation -- the two main programme rooms had the same name
... but never at the same time, you understand...
-
As well as a good hotel, you need a good programme -- even though not
everyone goes to it, it creates intellectual churn -- that was
2Kon
's key failure. [Well,
I
liked
it...]
-
1966: Yarmouth -- crummy hotel -- large manager dubbed "Landeburger
Gessler" (from
William Tell
) -- non-fannish guests -- Ted
Tubb in manic phase formed a conga line of chanting fans clinking
bottles -- was chased by the manager, up onto the roof, chucking bricks
down chimneys belonging to fans rooms
-
can't do this now -- the roofs are hermetically sealed -- we're
in the future now
-
but where are the flying cars?
-
SF fandom is an anarchy, no central organisation, lurching from
disaster to disaster -- no-one learns form the past -- but every Easter
we have a good time -- almost every Easter for the last 40 years, I can
remember where I've been!
Alan Kobayashi --
From Star Fleet to Earth Force
-
worked on
-
In B5, there weren't many closeups of hands, etc so a lot of the
graphic design details got lost
-
got a chance to meet Majel Barrett -- she was very nice, and please
to be working on B5
-
B5 was willing to put a lot of people in background shots --
sometimes up to ~100
-
there were lots of posters and things on the walls, but most shots
were along the corridors -- so most were never in shot
-
B5 was shot in an old warehouse -- very low ceiling -- the air
conditioning could cool only one of three sets at a time, so setting up
was always very hot
-
riot
police uniforms -- used surplus East German police helmets
-
lots of WWII-style posters -- SF is what you can get from war surplus
catalogues!
-
lots of props are hired from prop companies, and do the rounds -- a
prop from
Buckeroo Banzai
shows up in one B5 shot
-
X Files is so complex, it has
two
art directors, working on
alternate shows
-
Macintosh, Adobe Illustrator, PhotoShop
-
no graphics table, just a mouse -- I'm very old-fashioned!
Julian Headlong --
I Am Spike's Liver
On haematopoiesis and poetry, Vampire biochemistry and quantum wibble
-
previous talks
-
I am Spock's Liver -- Vulcan biochemistry
-
How the Black Hole at the centre of the galaxy caused the Russian
Revolution
-
Torturing Babies for Fun and Profit
-
so, for a talk on how Vampires work -- the title wrote itself!
-
vampires made fashionable Victorian stories -- spread of incurable
diseases, and rabies
-
drawing on older legends, folklore of exotic diseases
-
acute intermittent porphyria -- George III -- hereditary
-
congenital erythropoietic porphyria -- Gunther's disease -- 1
in 30 million -- mutation that can occur anywhere -- so everyone
has vampire legends
-
other disease subsumed -- rabies
-
vampire bats
-
resurgence in recent times parallels new incurable STDs, AIDS
-
classification system
-
UK -- by physiology
-
US -- by firepower
-
Europe -- by style
-
China -- hopping or non-hopping
-
they are all poikilotherms -- cold-blooded killers
-
type I -- humans with a quirk -- Goths -- wannabes
-
type II -- biological -- subspecies living with humans
-
drink blood -- strong hypnotic gaze -- don't like sunlight --
allergic to silver or garlic
-
type III -- technical creations -- nanotech, etc
-
shapeshift with conservation of mass -- super powers -- can
infect others to produce new vampires -- fall into dust as nanites
lose cohesion
-
type IV -- strong quantum wibble
-
no body at all, appear in perception of humans -- don't appear in
mirrors, photos, telephones -- feed off psychic energy -- an energy
state that can be destroyed by UV and
13
C
-
type V -- weird demon shit
-
magical -- made by being bitten, or a rite -- variants include
the Stoker, the Rice, the Somtow, and the Whedon -- need blood --
some need to sleep in their coffin -- don't like holy water, silver
bullets, depleted uranium anti-tank rounds, ... -- some can turn
into bats, and to hell with conservation of mass -- need to be
invited in the first time -- can heal from any wound except
decapitation or staking -- don't need to breathe
-
Whedon subspecies
-
can't shapeshift apart from the scary face (except for one
episode of a
Stoker crossover
)
-
strong, fast, super senses
-
can survive on stored animal blood
-
don't breathe, but can give mouth to mouth -- the one who said
it's impossible was lying, because he didn't know how to do it
-
they bleed when cut, so their blood must circulate -- but their
heart doesn't beat -- the demon moves the blood!
-
too much iron from drinking all that blood would lead to
haemochromatosis [bronze diabetes] and liver failure
-
can become intoxicated and hungover, so dehydrated, so kidneys
still work
-
powered by demon-catalysed very very old fusion of the Deuterium
in the blood -- explains overclocked muscles
-
question and answer session -- remember, I have to make this up as I
go along!
-
cold fusion -- where does all the He go -- why no squeaky voices?
-
it goes into very bad English and Irish accents
-
is this how the floating/flying vampires work?
-
small fusion explosions explain the hopping vampires
-
what is the effect of vampires on global warming?
-
they don't breathe, so don't produce CO
2
-- they're a
carbon sink -- with enough of them, could reverse global warming
-
but when you dust one, all the carbon is released again --
Buffy
is causing global warming!
-
a FTL comms system based on instant transmission of Slayerhood
-
set up array of future Slayers, encoded as 1s and 0s, and kill
them in the right order for the message
Panel --
Milestones in 20th Century comics
Steve Lawson, Fangorn, Julian Headlong, Gary Wilkinson, Malcolm Davies
-
started in the 1940s
-
before that, was really only things like
Little Nemo
--
very little fantasy of SFnal comics
-
then it was the Golden Age, followed by the Silver Age, and has
been downhill ever since!
-
Look and Learn
had the
Trigan
Empire
-
My favorite is
Sandman
-- it's sophisticated -- incorporates
a lot of DC heroes in very odd ways
-
My favorite author is Don McGregor
-
I used to buy about 16 titles a month -- kids couldn't afford to
do that now
-
I don't buy comics for the characters any more, but for the authors
-- my favorite is Alan Moore -- or the artists -- so I have lots of
broken runs!
-
We read all the girls' comics, too --
Bunty
,
Judy
,
etc -- there wasn't enough to read!
-
Misty
was all supernatural stuff
-
A new comic would get more sales -- so lots of new releases -- merge
titles once sales started dropping off
-
There's a lot more choice now -- don't run out of stuff to read
-
90% crap -- used to read it
all
, because not enough stuff
-- now can pick and choose, especially if you go by author/artist
-
I still manage a book a day, but there are 3000 SF/fantasy titles
published per year in the US
-
for the price of a couple of comics, I can buy a book -- can read a
comic in ~10 minutes -- books last longer
-
if I want to read, I'll buy a book -- I'll buy a comic for the
way it looks
-
they're ideal for taking to the loo!
-
Everyone draws the same now
-
used to be able to identify artists by their style
-
it's less distinctive -- like pop music!
-
more distinctive at the highbrow end
-
more of a manufatured commodity -- more commercial pressure --
have to draw more
-
a good artist can do ~ a page a day
-
We're in a recession after the 90s boom -- there were 100s of
X-Men
titles a month
-
French/Belgian comics are a very separate market
-
publishing cycle -- one large book every year or so -- doesn't
translate to US marketing style
-
Asterix
in Italian
has better jokes than in French!
-
in Europe, comic books are intermingled with novels on the shop
shelves -- also available in libraries
-
Internet comics -- are they really comics?
-
Scott McCloud
-
can get more adventurous formats -- can do things you couldn't
(or shouldn't!) do if published
-
I can't follow it on the screen
-
can't make it pay
-
There is nothing being done today that Herriman didn't do with
Krazy
Kat
in the 1920s -- drugs, animation, noir, ...
-
It doesn't need to be innovative, it just needs to be
good
-
Watchman
has very simple layout -- but it's
good
-
the movie of the graphic novel of the card game of the toy of the...
The 4th
Science Fiction Foundation George Hay Memorial Science
Lecture
-
my approach is tediously conservative, but leads to some exciting
possibilities
-
outer space could be teeming with life -- all the basic chemistry is
available -- but there may be some major difficulties
-
almost everything I will say is controversial -- and is wrong!
-
what are the basic building blocks?
-
carbon is the only alternative
-
silicon looks like an alternative -- but is actually deeply
unfavorable
-
let's look at our own life -- it's very peculiar in ways we are only
beginning to realise
-
DNA double helix -- one of the most peculiar, bizarre molecules
-- alternatives to DNA are mostly disasters
-
leads to idea there
are
no alternatives --
may be a
universal biochemistry
-
what about rerunning the tape of life (as in
Wonderful
Life
) -- it would be very different -- or would it?
-
we can rerun the tape on bacteria in the lab -- suggests
there
are real trajectories
to life
-
it's difficult to imagine
any
major design in biology
that
hasn't
evolved
-
Fortey --
Life:
an Unauthorised Biography
-
suggests an unexploited eco-role, in the stratosphere, of
large floating bladders -- bladders are uncontraversial, they
exist -- making hydrogen is simple -- but they don't exist,
because there is nothing for them to eat, on an Earth-like
planet
-
evolutionary convergence
-- a constraint on aliens
-
two kinds of sabre-toothed cat -- one a placental mammal, one a
marsupial -- more closely related to hedgehogs and wombats than each
other!
-
some kind of "sabre-tooth space" in which evolution
navigates? are there other kinds of spaces?
-
eyes
-
transparent tissue and conversion of light to electricity both
evolved billions of years before eyes -- why didn't eyes evolve
earlier
?
-
our eye -- camera construction -- squid eye almost
indistinguishable -- most famous convergence -- also there are
important differences, which show they came from different
trajectories
-
camera eye evolved independently ~ 7 times, along with
agility, intelligence, predation
-
compound eyes of insects -- pack many lenses together to collect
lots of light, so arranged in a hemisphere -- minimum size to a lens
means upper limit to total size
-
we would need a compound eye more than a metre across to have
the same acuity
-
so
aliens will have camera eyes
, not compound eyes
-
star-nosed mole
-
tentacles very sensitive to
touch
-- but neurobiology
produces an equivalent of
vision
-
different sense modalities arrive at similar mental maps
-
electric fields used by fish to navigate and communicate
-
several unrelated fish have virtually identical systems --
large brains to process its electrical world -- strange sensory
modalities, but deeper seated commonalities
-
hearing, smell -- convergent in invertebrates and vertebrates
-
what if, 65M years ago, there had been no asteroid impact?
-
Ice Ages are inevitable -- so 20M years ago the ice would have
favoured warm blooded birds and mammals -- the dinosaurs would have
lived only in the tropics -- then hunting would have wiped them out
-- so
climate has no effect in the long term
-
some reptiles don't lay eggs -- give birth to live young --
some even have placentas! -- when it gets cold
-
birds -- vocalisation, tool making
-
New Caledonian Crow tool making is in advance of chimps
-
New Zealand -- devoid of natural mammals, but has birds
-
Kiwi -- honorary mammal -- feathers turning to fur, lives in
burrows, nocturnal, ...
-
is there
a trajectory called "mammalness"?
-
human brain -- trajectory that lead to it over 5M years is
astonishing -- but not unique
-
there are dolphin parallels -- humans overtook dolphins only 1M
years ago -- dolphin brain size increased ~20M years ago
-
radically different brains -- but strangely convergent --
rich social life
-
dolphins live in fission/fusion societies of ~100 -- similar to
chimps
-
sperm whales -- intensely social matriarchal lines -- similar to
elephants
-
so basic structures likely to emerge here -- why not elsewhere?
-
once you've reached a certain level of complexity, things that
might seem impossible become almost inevitable
-
Neanderthals -- cultural efflorescence -- necklaces, etc
-
Fermi paradox
-
we may be alone
-
if not -- we should be very careful
-
honey bee and stingless bee -- convergent social systems --
there were other systems, possibly driven to extinction by this
more efficient one -- could happen to us!
-
Extra-solar planets -- many of them
-
Ward, Brownlee:
Rare Earth
-- need a planet of just about
the right size, with a large moon, volatiles initially resupplied by
comets, which later diminish because of Jupiter
-
we are inevitable
, but Earth may be the only place we could
evolve
-
implications of being alone
-
advanced animal societies -- esp communication and singing --
need more study -- may be
underlying universal music
-
take animal mentalities more seriously -- there are large groups
of
animals on the threshold of humanity
-
we are fouling up the world -- this is biologically as well as
morally wrong
-
So -- if the telephone rings, we shouldn't pick it up. But in my
view, it will never ring.
-
to what extent would different environments put different
constraints on animals?
-
if you make the Earth even only slightly bigger, get
substantially higher gravity -- and it's already cripplingly high --
make it smaller -- lose the atmosphere
-
some people argue that the big birds/flying dinos could not have
evolved unless gravity was weaker -- but the physicists don't like
this
-
fourth power law on fluid flow, viscosity at low Reynolds number,
act as invariants
-
maybe a failure of imagination -- but these parameters do box in
the possibilities
-
what's your view of the Drake equation?
-
Drake and SETI are driven by a "religious conviction"
in the existence of aliens -- they know they are there -- nothing
wrong with that -- there should be several hundred civilisations
-
Webb:
Where Is Everybody?: Fifty Solutions to Fermi's Paradox
-- but none of them really add up
-
is there a curiosity factor missing from the equation?
-
many animals, even ants, are capable of building a mental model
of their environment -- curiosity/playfulness seems to be recurrent
-
Jack Cohen
's
universals?
-
I'm starting from the same place, but saying that things that
have evolved more than once are the only things that are possible --
you tell me something that is genuinely
unique
-- I mean
general biological properties, not nitty gritty disectional details
-
the wheel -- it's evolved in bacterial, and there are strong
arguments against large ones
-
lots of differences in details, but general principles are
convergent
-
could we do a nervous system any other way? it must be electrical
to be fast enough -- potassium and calcium are already taken up, so
that leaves sodium -- sodium channels have evolved more than once
-
what about bipeds?
-
we need hands, or tentacles
-
bipedality is relatively unusual -- about 6M years ago the
Tuscany ape became bipedal -- on an island with no predators
-
you're assuming tetrapods?
-
don't have an answer to that -- necks evolved independently --
there is a group moving towards limbs independently of the ones that
did get limbs
-
there may be unique bottlenecks, entirely contingent on some
event -- but there are
lots
of convergences
-
are there any convergences that "stop", that don't go
all the way?
-
specialists get uptight about the difference between parallel and
convergent evolution -- depends on the common ancestor, but it's not
really important
-
in any one diversification, convergence is rampant
-
cladists regard convergence as an offence to their system!
-
as soon as you find an adaptive zone, it is explored
extensively
-
get waves of diversification, run out of things to do --
homoplasty [similar structure without common origin] becomes an
increasing problem -- there do seem to be trajectories/regions
to explore
-
what are your views on artificial life?
-
I can answer from an area of invincible ignorance!
-
AI to date is a stunning failure-- asking the wrong questions
-
finding the Easter Island of possible life in an ocean of
maladaptiveness
-
how to produce that complexity in such a short time, ~ 10
180
proteins
-
need to get the underlying framework to manifest, else will
never find it -- phase space too vast
-
navigation metaphor
-
the people doing this are very intelligent, and far from the
biologists
-
in comparison with the beauty and fluidity of living
organisms, it's very sterile -- there's no magic
-
there may be deep properties of biological organisms that
only become apparent from such studies
-
with convergent evolution, to what extent are the genetic
similar?
-
there is a good deal of molecular convergence -- molecular
toolkits
-
the eye isn't convergent merely because all use PAK6 -- that is
also used for noses, brains, pancreas -- and sometimes something
else is used for eyes
-
genes are switches -- they don't "do" anything
-
what is similar, what is different? -- story is just taking off
Interview
-
third novel,
Natural History
, published yesterday
-
Silver Screen
is the least bleak one -- people do get out of
it alive!
-
I'm not longer sure AI is possible -- in
SS
I imagined it
would have to evolve itself -- it might have to decide to delete
some of its memories -- how to make artificial experiences
meaningful, know the significance of events
-
when I'm writing, I consciously think about these things
-
but talking about it here, it's as if I'm thinking about them for
the first time -- it's the first time I've
talked
about
these things
-
when you see an apple, how do you recognise it as an apple? -- it
depends on who you are, its significance to you, your senses, being an
animal, ...
-
I like to imagine what it would be like to be somewhere so very
different, what it would do to you
-
before he got into fixed wing flight, ??? was thinking of "individual
Zeppelins
" (a precursor
to flying cars!) -- he had one himself -- that's a future that can
now never happen, because it didn't happen.
-
I can see ashtrays outliving smoking, because they are useful --
little pots to put things in
-
antimacassars survived macassar hair oil by a century -- and now
hair gel has come back!
-
Mappa Mundi
is a technothriller -- I didn't intend that
structure -- first person view didn't work, it had to be a thriller to
work
-
my entire experience of journalists/secret agents is from fiction
-- even real life ones get filtered through fictional cliches
-
Can literature affect you? If you've decided to be a powerful person,
can you read
Jude the Obscure
and not just say "what a
waster"? Can you ever understand someone like that?
-
I love the
West Wing
-- if only real politicians could be so
educated and erudite -- I'd love to have a job like that -- I think
WW
should stay, because people would think that's what it should be like,
and then we'd get people like that.
-
but my mother had a fantasy about university life -- wonderful
and mind expanding -- she was disillusioned when she got there and
found it wasn't like that
-
writers can't be held responsible, because what people take from
the work isn't what the writer wanted, or even put in
-
I wanted to explain the science in
Mappa Mundi
, but it would
have taken reams, and been dull
-
technology has an ethical dimension -- but often the ethical
dimension comes down to saying "no, don't do that"
-
my grandmother has a lobotomy -- done to her by people who really
believed it was in her best interest
-
Natural History
-- I set out to write all those fun bits of
SF I'd never done before -- but then some other things became inevitable
-- ended up a deeply sad novel -- all the characters are very lonely --
use VR as a crutch, totally necessary, to be a social animal
-
there's a lot of circular reasoning about -- inability to think
critically, to think things through -- I came across a lot of that
at university -- it put me off politics entirely
-
now working on something in the future of
NH
-- same
aliens -- not so much of a romp, though
-
are you going to continue writing short stories?
-
I write them on request, mainly -- they are quite hard to do
-
how do you plan the structure?
-
I write a first draft without a plan, then see what it looks
like, and impose a structure
-
the grammar of the story tells you what's going to happen -- the
only reason to continue reading, esp in short stories, it to find
out the particular route taken -- the more structure, the harder to
break out, and when you do, you end up disappointing the reader -- I
find it easier to break out with long stories than short
-
M. John Harrison wrote
Light
so that no-one can read
The
Ship Who Sang
with a clear conscious -- when I read
tSwS
,
at 14, I thought it was great -- I've never read it since, because I
don't want to change that feeling
-
I'm shaped by Anne McCaffrey,
Asimov
's
robots, and
Tanith Lee
-
Dragonflight
was girls and horses, and I waned it to be darker -- it became a
domestic soap opera -- also huge denial of the fact that the
relationship with the dragons is sexual -- dodges the ball -- I
found it difficult to read
Light
-- all the characters are so horrible -- but Mike doesn't dodge the
ball -- but deeply uncomfortable -- maybe that's why McCaffrey
didn't go there -- she wanted the innocence, wanted it to last
forever
-
why "I, Robot"?
-
I chose it because of the cover and title -- I was an only child
-- I came to identify with the robots -- I was becoming aware of how
little you know of others' internal lives -- humans are very good
readers, and also very good liars -- it's rare you are ever so
genuinely interested in someone that you can pay attention to what
they are really about -- it's much easier in fiction
GoH talk -- Fangorn on Art
Chris Baker
-
mostly book covers
-
Myth
series, Red Wall
series
-
2 graphic novels -- which gave the film contact
-
haven't done much painting since the films
-
I stopped the cute dragons after I overheard a comment at an Art
Auction
-
don't do much computer art
-
acrylics are like painting with jam
-
I like doing wings, and mice
-
pre-Raphelite inspiration
-
all your characters are white; do you have a preference?
-
how much do you plan a picture?
-
I usually just wing it -- I don't have a problem with "over
doing" a picture; I'm too lazy! -- I don't put in as much
detail as I used to; the brushwork now flows more freely
Panel --
Not Just the Bookjackets: the wider use of SF art
Pete Young, Steve Jeffrey, Colin Langeveld,
Dave Hardy
-
"Uncle Saddam's Shag Palace" -- article in the Times --
loads of SF/fantasy paintings and book covers discovered
-
Iraqi Minister for Acquisition of Fantasy Art arrested by US
-
new report rather disparaging to art world -- "juvenile",
"kitsch", ...
-
would the same comments have been made if these had been
discovered in Paul Getty's attic? (probably yes)
-
but if you copy them and paint by numbers, you get a Turner
Prize! (of Glen Brown's version of a Tony Roberts cover)
-
some people think a sheep with its arse ripped out is art
-
if the art was separate from the literature, would it get the same "juvenile"
comments -- or would it be seen as a descendent of pre-Raphelite, of
technical illustration, etc?
-
Chesley Bonestall
etc
were doing art in magazines in the 50s -- influenced American moon
race -- dream that the engineers built on
-
pulp cover image -- being rediscovered ironically by small
presses
-
the literature has improved over the decades -- has the art been
raised in the same way?
-
CL -- one of my pictures is in the art show, and Mr Hardy
gave me a good bollocking -- that moon can't look like that!
-
have the materials made a difference?
-
we have digital art -- thank goodness for Poser, Brice, Photoshop
-
at the last Eastercon I sold one painting -- 80% of stuff there
was digital
-
takes
time
to paint a picture -- is the labour worth it?
-
digital is just another tool -- need to learn knowledge for
shadowing, etc
-
some people say the airbrush isn't really art
-
it really speeds up the process
-
I really enjoy it -- it's a whole new way of working -- I
love the Mac
-
I've dabbled with Brice/Photoshop and I find it
really
hard -- it's harder than using a pencil
-
you should use a tablet, then it's just like drawing
-
no, because you're not looking at your hand, but at the
screen
-
can you tell what's digital?
-
yes -- digital is unemotional -- not like pastels
-
people said that about the airbrush
-
can use an airbrush then add in jitter -- can be subtle with it
-
perspective is a pain -- digitally it's done for you
-
increases productivity
-
still need artistic ability -- most people can produce something "acceptable"
in Brice, but not saleable, because it's not artistic
-
AARON